New OP ring quest?

[Jurugar]

heh im alliance so im not about to roll a horde twink =P

besides gift of the naruu is sooooo much > haste/ap cds, duh....1.5 sec heal that doesnt increase casting time from dmg =D

[Ziboo]

Not to hijack this thread, but I think you're right in many respects with this statement -

that shows the divide between casual and hardcore twinks.

casuals get the best gear that they can, but only to an extent; farming a mob more than, say, 10 times is past the limit. they enjoy playing but dont see the need to maximize their gear/professions. They have fun in bgs and are threats to better geared twinks, and own lower lvls or nontwinks

hardcores get the best gear, period. they do everything they can to be the best. they usually dominate bgs, being a step above the regular twinks and 5 steps above everyone else its all a matter of opinion

So, when you say do everything to be the best does that include exploits, bending the rules, etc., cheats, whatever it takes?

I'm a bit opposite in that, if it's a loophole or a cheat or exploit - to me it's just not worth it - no skill involved, so you might beat me, but not based on your ability to play, but on your ability to abuse a system. My .02. Not saying everyone does, but there are enough out there that unfortunately do.

[_jailbot_]

Originally Posted by Deval

I just don't understand stuff like this. You guys are just trying way to hard to make twinking so much about the gear... Happened in BC with the..the seeds, the rep gear, and so much more.

you KNOW what is going to happen even if it is available, Blizz will find out and will hotfix it just like that.

i draw the line at things like Mining bug that are truely bugs not just easily impossible to obtain with out help gear...



Haha, i know they will fix it but if it works im so getting



first day and using it till nerf...maybe put it in the slot of my current stam ring so i can let it sit there not giving me stats even after the nerf just to look bad ass

: i know, absolutely no skill but enti's was annoying and about EVERY twink in bgs at that point was a 19 nelf warrior <_< so annoying "LOLOLOLOL1.5K REND"

the ring will be op yes, but there are currently other op things many people have that need nerfed .. that appear to be unnoticed.

[Bwappo]

I understand some people really enjoy (or at least put serious ego into) meticulously choosing and gathering gear for their twinks. I respect that. I admit that when I look at my favorite twink, I just grin at how she has the best of everything I wanted for her so far. But if someone were able to talk Blizz into handing them a replica of my twink, gear and all, with no time invested, more power to them.

I value my time according to my own scale. I don't expect anyone else to hold the same value, and I certainly don't expect Blizzard to enforce or even encourage equal time spent.

I used the mining bug, then it got fixed and I lost out on the chance to go to 450. Then 450 got nerfed and I lost the use of my fishing boots. If 3.2 really does restore use of arcana to the lower brackets, I'll do that again for my pants. The life of a twink goes on.

Bwappo

[Kore]

the difference between bugs and legit improvements for the hardcore is quite a fine line. when evaluating things i like to look at extremes; for instance Entis was most definately a game breaking exploit that undermined the balance of the 19 bracket (and probably others), however if you asked me whether i thought spell threads were exploits i would say no, ofc not.

Its quite hard to draw up a reasonable criteria, saying that rep gear designed for high lvls should be completely banned doesnt cut it for rep gear, cos that would mean furby pouch would be gone, which is an integral part of many classes weapon change system for more stam. it doesnt unbalance the bracket, and infact enhances it imo.
Spellthreads/ legarmour were debatably exploits, however the large majority of people on this site would say that they didnt get in the way of twinking and possibly enhanced it through giving more itemisation choice. However other exploits like the mining bug, grandfathered professions, stam buff on shoulders etc really did undermine the brackets so i would strongly argue against them.

In conclusion it comes down to the induvidual to show some discretion when choosing between "exploits" and "legit improvements". However, it can be unfeasible to expect people to gimp themselves (eg grandfathered profs) and what can you do to stop it? the best effort ive seen against exploits was the universal hate of Entis. However, even abusing that lvl 17 war with 12 ap didnt put a stop to the hordes of them wielding it and breaking the brackets.

So in second conclusion i would say Bwappo has the right idea; life goes on, and that certain moral objections just arent feasible if you want to enjoy your twink

[Bwappo]

Kore said it better than I did. I was glad to see the mining bug go even though I used it, and actually, I was glad to see the leg armors and fishing boots go as well. The less people that need the fishing boots, the better. I had serious reservations about the return of arcana if blizzard decides to do that, but after doing some math, I think it will really help the lower brackets distinguish their gearing choices.

Point being, I respect the work people put into their twinks, but I don't consider a lot of work in twink creation as a prerequisite for good twinking. I want as good and balanced a challenge as twinking can bring me, and if the complaints about everything in the game seem balanced, than that's a good sign.

Bwappo